Abstract

Matthieu Pageau says that Satan is first a function before a villain; a God‑created tester and accuser whose corruption occurs only when will‑to‑power takes over. Firstly, he lays out a symbolic grammar where heaven represents “the plan” and earth represents “the materials,” with water serving the dual role of destruction and renewal. Secondly, he reframes the “feminine” principle as that which crowns and renovates forms. Gödel’s incompleteness theorem, he claims, is Eve bringing a riddle to Adam. Thirdly, he speaks from his own exile… Matthieu is partial to Orthodoxy and Catholicism, and at the same time he’s unable to plant a flag until certain unanswered questions resolve (these questions are explored in the podcast). The stories of Tamar and Ruth trace exile and redemption, while the Adam and Eve story reveal what secrecy breaks. This is a rare interview. With a high degree of likelihood, I can say that if watched until the end, it will change your life.

Who Is Matthieu Pageau?

Matthieu Pageau is a Canadian thinker and the author of The Language of Creation: Cosmic Symbolism in Genesis (2018). He is the brother of the Orthodox icon‑carver Jonathan Pageau (who I spoke to here). Matthieu approaches biblical symbolism from a background in computer science and mathematics, focusing on the fractal‑like patterns embedded in Genesis. While his brother emphasizes public teaching, Matthieu describes his work as “internal criticism”; doubting his own interpretations, seeking what he doesn’t yet understand, and allowing reality to correct him. He describes himself as spiritually homeless and is working toward joining the Orthodox or Catholic Church once certain unresolved questions find their answers.

Matthieu’s Top 3 Theses

Quick:

1. Satan is a God‑created function (tester and accuser) that becomes evil only when corrupted by will‑to‑power.

2. The “feminine” principle in biblical symbolism represents renewal, updating, and crowning; Gödel’s incompleteness theorem is Eve’s riddle to Adam.

3. Holy criticism lacks will‑to‑power; fallen criticism seeks dominion; knowing the difference is the key to escaping metaphysical exile.

Memorable Quotes From The Podcast

“God created heaven and earth. Heaven is the plan. Earth is the materials.”

“The incompleteness theorem is a crown to mathematics.”

“If you have a will to power, then you’re a true enemy. A fallen Satan.”

“I ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad. I can pretend I didn’t, but that’s not how it works. You eat something, it’s in you.”

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